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A Change of Mind

Someone said that, for the book to be complete, Light Through the Darkness had to contain a chapter that detailed the fate of the lost. I was content with showing readers that God doesn’t destroy, until some friends reminded me that Jesus died of mental agony. That was a game changer for me. I could see such a chapter represented the book’s denouement.

But except for knowing that Jesus died of mental anguish, I didn’t know much about what happens to the lost, therefore, I was not in a position to do much writing on it. I began thinking about this.

My first clue came with Ray Foucher’s description of the lake of fire. (http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/fire-and-brimstone.html). He claims the lake of fire is an experience, not a place, and he capably supports his view. He describes sinner’s whole lives flashing before them on “that day.” If Jesus’ death could be described Biblically as “fire,” I would have to look more soberly at the possibility that the final “fire” that is said to destroy the wicked was more metaphor than reality, as it was with Jesus. I found confirmation of this in these prophecies. “And the light of Israel will become a fire and his Holy One a flame” (Isaiah 10:17, NASV). And “Is it nothing to you, all you who pass by? Look around and see. Is any suffering like my suffering that was inflicted on me, that the Lord brought on me (?) in the day of his fierce anger? From on high he sent fire, sent it down into my bones” (Lamentations 1:12, 13, NIV). I began to see that much that we read literally is, in fact, pure metaphor.

In addition, as Kevin Straub, who I asked to help me with the chapter, was writing and I was wondering how much of his writing I would have to liberally sprinkle with disclaimers, because I couldn’t see it and didn’t want to misguide my readers, I continued studying in the early morning hours, not knowing where to look for any of this. And God gave me the information out of His Book that confirmed what Kevin was writing, preparing to publish in Light Through the Darkness.

Meantime, Kevin was struggling to lay out his knowledge of the fate of the wicked without referring to Sister White. We had a friendly disputation, because I didn’t want to footnote Sister White. You know that I believe deeply in her work, but it seemed inappropriate to me to footnote her in this book, which I wanted to be meaningful to non-Adventists, as well as to Adventists.

So the Lord did a grand and marvelous thing. As I was reading His word with the questions in my mind, as He so often does, He brought me to the places in His Book where He had “hidden” the story of the fate of the lost. I checked out the context, confirmed the texts were speaking of the death of the lost, and conveyed these texts to Kevin, who shared with me some places he had found in scripture, confirming his view of “hell.”

What we found was:

Ezekiel 7:14: Though they blow the trumpet and get everything ready, no one will go into battle, for my wrath is upon the whole crowd.

Jeremiah 8:3:  And death shall be chosen rather than life . . .

Psalm 112:10: The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth and melt away . . .

Psalm 58:7, 8, NIV:  Let them vanish like water that flows away; when they draw the bow, let their arrows be blunted. Like a slug melting away as it moves along . . . .

Psalm 48:4-7, NIV: When the kings joined forces, when they advanced together, they saw her and were astounded; they fled in terror. Trembling seized them there, pain like that of a woman in labor.

Ezekiel 7:14: They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.

Ezekiel 39:4, 6, NIV: I will give you as food to all kinds of carion birds and to the wild animals. . . . I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in the coastlands. . . . (Birds symbolize the cleansing fire.)

I had always believed that Ellen White described the fate of the lost, and I wanted to stay by her teaching. But as I looked, I could see that her description of the fate of the lost was very thin. In fact, if you go into the Great Controversy chapter on the final fire, she says there is a white throne judgment, the lost review their lives, realize they are lost, “and with the fury of demons they turn upon them.” It’s easy to conclude there follows a major battle of the war ending in “fire comes down out of heaven and devours them,” because at this point she brings down the curtain. Following are Bible texts after Bible texts, none of which specifically point out the fate of the lost. And try as I might, I couldn’t make my beliefs up to this point correlate with the experience of Jesus in the Incarnation.

Did Kevin see something in her work that I had missed?

When it was time to assemble the book and have it uploaded to the site, I was completely won over. I thank Kevin Straub [who gave me a grade of “95” for producing the chapter ;-)], Demetrius Leach and many others for their help in completing the final chapter (I hope) of this work and many others for holding me up in prayer. And I thank my dear Heavenly Father for His intervention and help in making the Second Edition of Light Through the Darkness more accurate.
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Please forgive the delay in getting this out to you. CreateSpace has a rule—a good one—that a book can’t be sold until a proof copy is ordered, reviewed, and if it is okay, a button is clicked to say the book can be sold. We had gone through this exercise once,  but I guess we got in a hurry, thus when it came back I saw items in the proof that needed to be changed, so we went through the  exercise again. This time I feel that you have waited long enough, the book is probably okay, and in view of the money I sent for Express Mail (It’s overdue), I went ahead and clicked the Approved -for-Sale button. So I guess, this version is it.

1. Some may already know, but for those who don’t, it is with the deepest regret that I inform you of the death of Graham Maxwell on November 28, 2010. You can go here www.pineknoll.org to watch his funeral services. Never this side of eternity can we correctly assess his contribution to Adventism and to the world. The old soldier rests now, awaiting the call of the Life Giver.

2. Chapter 12 of the Second Edition of Light Through the Darkness: A Vindication of God is completed and uploaded on CreateSpace.com. It can be accessed through my site, www.BeholdYourGod.info. We now have a “cutting edge” chapter in “Light . . . “ on the fate of the lost (by popular demand). Kevin Straub, editor of As He Is, helped me with this portion of the writing, and it contains “new light.”

Now, I am not a “new light wonk,” as attested by my resistance to his ideas, but, amazingly, while we were still in the writing stage God showed us the texts in Scripture that supported his ideas. Kevin based his knowledge on Spirit of Prophecy. He had a struggle communicating his ideas without being able to use her writings, and I would have no Spirit of Prophecy in the book. So you can see we had problems, until the Lord showed us, in the course of writing the chapter, that we were on the right track. Praise His name!

More on this next time.

3. Remember that you can also obtain my book on righteousness by faith, The Language of Heaven, Unconquerable Power For Your Life, which tells how to live the Christian life, from www.BeholdYourGod.info. Some have expressed  that this book gives them great hope that they can overcome. It doesn’t argue the history. It doesn’t argue anything. Just tells how to live victoriously in Jesus.

4. If you have read The Language of Heaven and/or Light Through the Darkness and are so disposed, you can leave a testimonial for each book you have read on www.Amazon.com on the page for each book.

5. Finally, the DVD set gives advanced prophecy pertaining to the two times of trouble, both little and great. Since it is based on both the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy, I have put it on what I call my “Adventist” website, www.AdventistApocalypse.com. It is self-authenticating and needs no advertisement. There is also a book that goes with it.

6. Keep in mind that you can get Spirit of Prophecy on the main topics of Light Through the Darkness and The Language of Heaven by accessing my Adventist site, www.AdventistApocalypse.com and scrolling down.

7. Plans are under way to put up both Light Through the Darkness and The Language of Heaven on www.authorsden.com, where they will receive more exposure.

8. I have been invited to do an encore guest appearance on “Conversations With Cyrus Webb” on Tuesday, April 12, at 6:30 MST on www.blogtalkradio.com/conversationslive to listen live. To listen to the recording go to www.conversationsliveradio.com.

I will be among the guest speakers at the annual Frontiers of Faith gathering in Wisconsin the weekend of April 29 and 30. For more information contact John Schneider, John.Schneider@hud.gov, (262) 889-4293. The web address for Camp Wakonda is http://www.wakonda.org/Camp_Wakonda/Home.html.

9. This is a page from my blog, which I update once a week on Wednesdays. I am sending it, as a courtesy, to my mailing list and inviting all to sign up to have my blog delivered into their email inbox once a week. It will be so much easier to stay in touch that way. You will find this blog at www.yonargi.wordpress.com.

10. Plans are still in my head for a video blog sermon series to direct traffic into www.BeholdYourGod.info, as this one is designed to direct traffic into www.AdventistApocalypse.com. It should teach the doctrines of Adventism—the law and law keeping, state of the dead, antichrist, etc.— making the character of God the center. I have been told that one individual has already made such a sermon series, but I have not yet had time to pursue it. That is still in process. I have been told that my site is first in SEO for the words “behold your God,” but I want a great deal more traffic. (The web administrator’s lament!)

11. If you know of someone who would like to be kept informed of events as they occur, please direct them as follows: Adventists to www.yonargi.wordpress.com (Have them sign up to have this blog delivered into their inbox.) and non-Adventists to the new video blog when it is up. I’ll let you know.

We’re doing all that we can to prepare and open up the way for the Lord’s appearing. Please pray for us and for others who are engaged in a similar endeavor—http://www.heavenlysanctuary.com, www.truthinJesus.com and many others. May we do what Scripture decrees, “Arise, shine, for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee” (Isaiah 60:1).

 

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Jesus was the God of the Old Testament. That fact has been known but not emphasized through the years. We have vaguely understood that God the Father was that inscrutable being who went rampaging through the pages of the Old Testament. It has been confusing to unimportant in our minds.  However, that Jesus was, in fact, that being is not an unimportant detail in the overall scheme of things. In our day, when great emphasis is to be placed on the character of God, this “detail” takes on equally great importance. Today we will look at another aspect that tells us that Jesus was God of the Old Testament.

“In the beginning Gods [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

In trying to translate this text accurately, Bible scholars have scratched their heads, for they want it to conform with other texts and the whole gospel picture, but “Gods” created? Plural form?  How can they reconcile this? Sometimes I think we would be better off, if we had robots translating for us. They would certainly have translated “Elohim” as “Gods,” and we would have been much farther down the path to understanding the gospel. That translation would have agreed with, “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26). We have created a contradiction where no contradiction existed before, and blurred the whole gospel picture. We have made the Father responsible for all that blood and gore in the Old Testament, and Jesus responsible for all that is lovely and pure in the New.

I know of only one Bible where an attempt was made to translate this verse accurately. In Young’s Literal Translation the verse reads, “In the beginning of God’s creating the heavens and the earth.” So the plural form is compromised by the addition of a little apostrophe, making it singular once again. The whole matter of who created the world has been enshrouded in mystery when it could have been so clear and given Jesus His rightful place in the creation story. When I see what has been done to the doctrine of Christ by this and other instances, I suspect satanic mischief prowling around, for nothing would make us more curious as to what happened to Christ’s character from the Old Testament to the New than if we recognized Him as the God of the Old Testament. What happened to His character? Nothing happened to it. We would then have recognized the need to reconcile His character in the Old Testament, and we could have been so much farther down the road to the kingdom than we are now.

On the surface this text seems to contradict a basic Judeo-Christian tenet, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deut. 6:4). What is one? Evidently a shallow reader, anchored no where, initially interpreted one, and the whole Judeo-Christian world took the bait. One means . . . well, one. The numeric singular. Only it doesn’t in this case. “One” means more than one, united in purpose, plans . . . everything and every way that more than one can be united. Here is an example for those who have trouble believing that more than one can be united. Our Creator (who turns out to be Jesus) said in Genesis 2:24, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.” Here we have the word “one” functioning to suggest, not that they should become one entity, but that two should become one—united in every way that two people can be united.

Another good example is Exodus 24:3, where “all the people answered with one voice.” This “one” is from the same Hebrew word as the “one” in Deut. 6:4. It is a plural one, a one made up of parts, a unified one.

The Gospel of John
It was getting close to the century mark when the apostle John wrote his gospel. He had had time to think about why Jesus was rejected and what was most needful for the work. He begins his gospel with a re-write of the creation story. “In the beginning”—but he then “digresses” into “was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” His gospel calls us back to a re-examination of Genesis 1:1. Without lowering the role of the Father or the Holy Spirit in any degree, it raises Jesus to His rightful place in creation in the human consciousness.

 

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Jesus was God of the Old Testament. This one fact infuses great power into the message of God’s character of love, because it focuses the question, What became of His character from the Old Testament to the new? It becomes imperative that we study it; as Christians, we can no longer sweep it under the rug.

Here are just a few of the reasons for believing that Jesus was the God of the Old Testament and from the beginning:

1.  Jesus is I AM—Jehovah of the Old Testament:

“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you” (Exodus 3:14).

“Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am’” (John 8:58).

2.  Jesus is Judge:

“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right” (Genesis 18:25).

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” (John 5:22).

3.  Jesus is Creator:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . . . And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. . . . ’’ “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds” (John 1:3, 14; Hebrews 1:2).

4.  John the Baptist quoted the Old Testament in announcing Jesus’ presence in the New:

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord [Jehovah], make straight in the desert a highway for our God (Isaiah 40:3).

“He [John the Baptist] said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord [Jehovah] as said the Prophet Esaias” (John 1:23).

5.  Jesus is the Rock:

“He is the Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity just and right is he” (Deuteronomy 32:4).

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink; for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4).

6.  Jesus was the Angel of the Lord, another name for Jehovah:

“And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness in the way to Shur. . . . And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to your mistress, and submit thyself to her hands. . . .And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. . . . And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God [Jehovah] seest me, for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?” (Genesis 16:7, 9, 11, 13).

“For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God.” “Verily, verily I say unto you, The hour is coming and now is when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live” (1 Thessalonians 4:16; John 5:25).

7.  Jesus was Jehovah—Savior:

“I, even I, am the Lord [Jehovah] and beside me there is no Savior” (Isaiah 43:11).

”Thou shalt call His name Jesus for He shall save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).

That should be enough for now. Sometime when you have a lot of time on your hands and want to do further research in this area, you will find an unlimited resource of evidence in the word that Jesus was, in fact, the God of the Old Testament.

And what are the implications of this fact? As Christians, we must recognize that we have a problem here. In light of statements as to the unchanging nature of God’s character, we must (not “should” or “might”) develop a theology that accounts for this apparent difference, and brings these divergent beliefs into harmony

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I do not propose to answer this question but to give you inspired quotations so that you can answer it for yourself. Needless to say, it is a breathtaking concept.

“It is not His will that they shall get into controversy over questions which will not help them spiritually, such as, Who is to compose the hundred and forty-four thousand. This those who are the elect of God will in a short time know without question” (7BC 978).

“Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name [character]
“And they shalt be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own that serveth him”(Malachi 3:16, 17).

“Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name [character] and the name [character] of His Father written on their foreheads” (Revelation 14:1, NASB).

They have spoken of and thought of the character of Deity until it has shaped their own characters.

Where do we get that the Father’s name and Jesus’ name is their character? Exodus 33 and 34.

“And the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there and proclaimed the name of the Lord. And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord! the Lord! A God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abundant in loving-kindness and truth, keeping mercy and loving-kindness for thousands, for giving iniquity and transgression and sin, but Who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children, to the third and fourth generation” (Exodus 34:5-7, Amplified).

Scripture even tells us that just before Christ returns, the truth will be known about his wrath or anger:

“The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart; in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly” (Jeremiah 23:20).

“The fierce anger of the Lord will not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it” (Jeremiah 30:24).

And what of the scapegoat, Azazel? What does he tell us about events to occur just prior to second coming?

“[Aaron] is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place; and the man shall release it in the desert” (Leviticus 16:21, 22, NIV).

Does this not hint that Satan will be exposed in the last days? And as a countermeasure, he will come in visible form to impersonate Jesus—to dispute the truth and to protect the lies he has told about redemption’s plan.

Are the 144,000 those who believe the Lord is a merciful God? a God who would never harm His creatures—good or bad? In other words, those who believe in the character of God message? Those who do know what a difference it makes to the character. But isn’t it a bit presumptuous to speak of this distinction in this way?

If it is, then the entire denominational church is guilty of the same indiscretion by claiming itself as the fulfillment of Revelation 12:17. Do I believe that the Seventh day Adventist church is the fulfillment of Revelation 12:17? I surely do. And do I believe that those within its fold who rejoice in believing the character of God message are the 144,000? I’ll let time answer that question for me.
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Here is an exchange between Kevin and me in which I am trying to understand the specifics of the last moments of the lost. If you have any light to shed on this, please send it along. I wanted to blog this so as to show that even among the most entrenched believers in this message, we still have things to work out. But we are agreed on the basic theme that God does not destroy—not now, not ever.

I didn’t send these items in red to Kevin, because he is busy and I will wait to read his paper on this point. He may have already answered my questions.

The items in red are my interjections.

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Marilyn:                  You say you have updated your understanding. I am a little lost. A war does start to break out, as per these quotes:

“Their rage is kindled against Satan and those who have been his agents in deception, and with the fury of demons they turn upon them.” GC p. 671.

Kevin:                Humans cannot put hands upon Satan nor his demonic agents. They are spirit beings. Humans will not tear into each other. They already did that before the thousand years, at the time of the voice of God and at the drying up of the Euphrates. [Some know nothing of this experience. They “slept” (in death) right through it.] More than this, however, they are going through this other mental experience that reveals to them the utter futility of blaming others, any more. They will not go into battle against the city [True], with Satan. I do not believe that a shot will be fired. Not at the city, not at Satan, though it were possible, nor at each other. They will only be breaking down their own souls. [Though suffering lethal mental agony, some will fight, because that is what they are accustomed to do—that’s all they know. We have to have a Biblical key for all the “war” language in Scripture; absent that key, should it not be interpreted literally?]

Marilyn:             “Because thou has set thine heart as the heart of God; behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations; and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. They shall bring thee down to the pit.” Ez. 28

Kevin:              If we understand the great Luciferian society that has existed throughout the history of Satan’s work to have himself a neat little New World Order, we will know about all of his dark occult esoteric doctrine which has taught his high level adherents of the mystery religions and the secret societies that he has been short changed of his rightful place, that he is the true freedom fighter and that God is the tyrant. We see in the last chapter of GC that he is still saying this, as he moves amongst the resurrected wicked, “deceiving the nations” still. All of these have nodded their heads in selfish greed, loving his “do as thou wilt, this is the whole of the law” philosophy. All of this sophistry that they have followed has been “the beauty of thy wisdom,” but now, now that the mask is entirely and irrevocably stripped away in the GWT judgment, great panorama in the sky revelation, they “defile” him and bring him down to the pit. He is finished, washed up. He is a king with no kingdom. The Emporer has no clothes. Is this making sense?

Marilyn:             “Every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.”

Kevin:              This is making a great point in favor of what I am saying. This text contrasts the bloody, noisy, human warfare with physical weapons over and against something else. Notice the “BUT this.” “But,” as Demetrius likes to say, “is a conjunction denoting contrast” and it is pointing to another kind of destruction, one that comes with “burning,” and with “fuel of fire.” I see in this two of the fires that we have studied about. They are listed here in the right order, the first one being the “burning,” which is the mental/emotional breakdown of the unquenchable fire, the realization of being grafted into the stock of Satan and having the wrath of God upon them with no way out. This destroys their life. Then the “fuel of fire” comes into play, which is elemental melting borne of “fervent heat,” the extraction of the Word of God from matter, that power which upholds and sustains all things, that binding of energy that glues together the very atoms. When this is released, we have a nuclear reaction which converts matter to energy. The former has gone out of existence, the latter dissipates into the cosmos; “the smoke of their torment ascends for ever and ever;” “into smoke shall they consume away.”

Marilyn:             “The indignation [wrath] of the Lord is upon all nations, and His fury upon all their armies: He hath utterly destroyed them, He hath delivered them to the slaughter.”

Kevin:                 True. He has delivered them up to all of that which takes place. It is all part of the devouring fire, the consumption. This is the language of wrath: indignation, fury, destroyed, delivered, slaughter.

Marilyn:             “Upon the wicked He [does not prevent it] shall rain quick burning coals, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest; this shall be the portion of their cup.” Isa. 9:5; 34:2; Psa. 11:6 (margin)

Kevin:              All of this represents the sum of all the fires. We have the presence of God as the unquenchable (emotional), the cessation of God’s sustenance as the fire in the midst (nuclear), and the laying down of the rod of control over the elements as “fire reservoir” (geophysical).

Marilyn:             Many other places as well. Admittedly, my mind may not be what it once was, but are you not doing the same thing that others are doing, in making that event symbolic and spiritualizing it away? What are the texts that allow you to do that? (I’m not trying to be difficult; I really want to know. It’s very important to me to follow inspiration, especially when teaching the COG message.

Kevin:                  I am mostly just giving you my conclusions. All the detailing of this is given in current writing projects.

Marilyn:             We must have a clear ‘Thus saith the Lord” before taking any position.) As I understand it, the final fire consists of:

1. God not raising a hand to help or hinder the lost. [Think free will.]

2. God showing them a) history of the plan of salvation, and b) their own failure to order their life by it. That’s all He does.

3. The lost now,

a) realize they can’t be saved.

b) don’t want to be saved. Heaven would be torture to them.

c) as humans do, they look for someone to blame

d) it is here that they lose their minds and die of mental anguish

e) but before they do, they determine to take those with them whom they blame for their loss.

f) war breaks out among them, as it did in the case of the 185,000 Assyrian soldiers; the army of the Moabites, the Ammonites, and Mt. Seir, etc.

This is what I see happening. I get the feeling that you see something different.

Kevin:   Yes, I am moving away from items e) and f). As I had mentioned earlier, there is a problem in bringing this in, because the process of mental anguish begins immediately at GWT judgment. You have placed a venting of physical rage upon demons and each other before emotional agonies set in [ No.  You are attributing to them the ability to reason at this moment, and I say they are reacting. Emotional agonies HAVE set in, but different people react differently to emotional stresses. Some die, disintegrate quietly, and dissipate away. Some turn on others and go out fighting (think Alexander the Great, Nero, Attila the Hun, etc.), depending on how they have habitually lived their lives.] and I do not see how the latter is deferred so they can fight. Also, and this is what clinches it for me, is that you would have them killing each other with weapons, or hands, before they would get to the emotional processing which is that very thing by which they die. Refer to the ST quote which is very clear that the fire unquenchable experience is that which destroys the wicked.

[Here is that quote: “We read of the . . . fire that is not quenched. Thus is represented the experience of every [unrepentant sinner] . . . He will realize that because of transgression, his soul is cut off from God, and that God’s wrath abides on him. This is a fire unquenchable, and by it every unrepentant sinner will be destroyed” (ST 4/14/1898).]

Are you understanding where I am sitting with this? I think it will be clearer with the release of my paper, coming soon, hopefully. I have a lot of distractions going on right now, as interested parties are writing in with comments, questions, and arguments. The heat is being turned up on this issue. People do think about this stuff. As we had discussed, the final dissolution of the wicked is really the great climax of the whole story. Have you ever watched Lord of the Rings? How could we ever do without the final battle scene? All the great epics have the final battle scene and this one is the mother of them all!

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Well, that is where our differences stand now. I guess we’ll have to wait until Kevin comes out with his paper–or Judgment Day–to see what actually takes place. But I can see where they die of mental anguish—they just react differently to it. If you have any insights here, please send them along.

Next week I will deal with the question, “Who Will Be the 144,000?” You may be as surprised as I was.

To those interested in my book revision project, it is done. Now I am awaiting the technician who will format it and put it up on the CreateSpace site. As it now stands, I have shown the lost dying of mental anguish–some immediately, some rising above their hopeless feelings to inflict pain on those they blame for their eternal loss. (Unless I find Kevin’s paper particularly persuasive. Then it’s back to the drawing board.)

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As we continue “beholding Christ,” let us remember that the worse thing He suffered and that which took His life was the hiding of His Father’s face. Nothing brought Him greater pain than this, and it caused His death. With that in mind, I want to draw your attention to a line in Desire of Ages:

“The most dissolute men engaged in infamous abuse of the Saviour. (p. 715)

When the Lord first called my attention to this line, my human nature kicked in and I wanted to kill someone. Then I wanted to weep. It’s not enough that the Sovereign Lord and Creator of the heavens and earth had to die for us, but how could He have been willing to go this far?

The line may need no further comment; it renders speechless those who thought they knew it all about the Savior’s matchless redeeming love. I believe that sentence is enough for you to ponder for now. I shall try to have some thoughts to share with you next week about it.
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